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Date/TimeFromToReply ToNumberSee AlsoSubject
01 Jun 89 20:31:2Chris FennAll-30-Hint
02 Jun 89 21:27:1SysopAll-31-Z88 in June Byte
03 Jun 89 04:34:2Victor RobertsSteven Zink-3233Modem
03 Jun 89 04:39:3Victor RobertsSteven Zink323342Modem
03 Jun 89 07:19:5SysopAll-34-More on BYTE for June
03 Jun 89 14:15:4Chris FennAll-35-Blinders
04 Jun 89 07:24:1Dave BennettCurtis Claar-3643Z88 - QL cable
4 Jun 89 10:00:13SysopChris Fenn-37-New Stuff
04 Jun 89 15:26:3Victor RobertsSysop-3840Problem using Quickedit with large Pipedream files ?
04 Jun 89 15:35:2Victor RobertsAll-3941Using the Z88 with the Emacs screen editor on a VMS VAX
04 Jun 89 17:06:5SysopVictor Roberts3840-QuickEdit problem
04 Jun 89 17:12:2SysopVictor Roberts3941-Using Z88 with Emacs on VAX/VMS
04 Jun 89 19:08:4Norm LehfeldtSysop3342-Modem
05 Jun 89 08:01:1Steven ZinkAll-44-modems
05 Jun 89 21:46:0Chris FennAll-4546Z88 EPROM
05 Jun 89 23:08:3SysopChris Fenn4546-Z88EPROM
05 Jun 89 23:22:4Curtis ClaarAll-4749EEPROM
06 Jun 89 21:41:4SysopCurtis Claar474952EEPROM
06 Jun 89 23:55:4Al HolguinEveryone !-!-!-!-5053Hayes Macro
07 Jun 89 00:27:3Jim McgivernAll-5154BBS back on line
07 Jun 89 01:01:3Curtis ClaarSysop4952-ROM/EPROM/etc.
07 Jun 89 07:00:1SysopAl Holguin505355Hayes
07 Jun 89 07:01:5SysopJim Mcgivern5154-BBS
07 Jun 89 08:31:0Al HolguinSysop5355-Hayes smartcom
10 Jun 89 17:39:0Victor RobertsAll-57-Using the Emacs Screen Editor on a VMS VAX with the Z88.
11 Jun 89 07:16:0SysopAll-5859Stuff from May/June Z88 EPROM (U.K. club newsletter)
11 Jun 89 17:26:0Victor RobertsSysop585961Various
11 Jun 89 18:26:2Dave BennettCurtis Claar436064Z88 - QL
12 Jun 89 21:50:0Chris FennVictor Roberts5961-CREDIT
13 Jun 89 17:16:0Victor RobertsDave Bennett-6265Z88 - QL transfers
13 Jun 89 21:29:3Chris FennAll-63-Magazine stuff
14 Jun 89 03:40:3Curtis ClaarDave Bennett606467ql
14 Jun 89 03:43:0Curtis ClaarVictor Roberts6265-ql
14 Jun 89 03:44:3Curtis ClaarAll-66-EXPO
14 Jun 89 06:20:0SysopCurtis Claar6467-Xmodem Transfers
14 Jun 89 20:51:4SysopSteven Zink-68-VT-52 Terminal
15 Jun 89 08:07:2Steven ZinkVictor Roberts-6970z88com to vax
16 Jun 89 18:57:2Victor RobertsSteven Zink6970-Z88 to VAX in VT52 mode
16 Jun 89 19:45:1Victor RobertsSteven Zink-7178Z88 to VAX with VT52 emulation
16 Jun 89 20:29:5Chris FennAll-7279BAT DATA
16 Jun 89 23:09:2Curtis ClaarAll-7380Telecommunication for the deaf
16 Jun 89 23:11:4Curtis ClaarAll-74-Apple ][
16 Jun 89 23:13:0Curtis ClaarAll-75-EXPO
16 Jun 89 23:27:0Curtis ClaarAll-76-UPC etc.
17 Jun 89 05:37:5SysopVictor Roberts717884Parity
17 Jun 89 05:41:1SysopChris Fenn7279-Bat Graphic
17 Jun 89 05:42:2SysopCurtis Claar738081Deaf Telecom
17 Jun 89 06:57:0SysopCurtis Claar808194Deaf Telecom Protocols
17 Jun 89 11:45:2Bryant PattenAll-8283Rechargeable Batteries
17 Jun 89 14:41:1SysopBryant Patten828396Rechargable Batteries
17 Jun 89 19:19:1Victor RobertsSysop788486Z88 parity test with terminal
17 Jun 89 20:57:0Chris FennAll-8587Dick Tracy MAC etc.
17 Jun 89 22:05:4SysopVictor Roberts848688Parity
17 Jun 89 22:07:5SysopChris Fenn8587-Smaller is better
18 Jun 89 11:53:0Victor RobertsSysop868889Parity
18 Jun 89 12:29:4SysopVictor Roberts888997Parity
18 Jun 89 18:03:0Victor RobertsSteven Zink-90-Parity errors with VAX
18 Jun 89 18:18:1Victor RobertsSysop-9192Parity problems with the Z88
18 Jun 89 19:33:4SysopVictor Roberts9192-Parity
18 Jun 89 19:35:1SysopRichard Haw-93106New Programs
18 Jun 89 22:46:2Curtis ClaarSysop819495deaf telecom
18 Jun 89 22:48:0Curtis ClaarSysop9495-deaf telecom
18 Jun 89 22:49:2Curtis ClaarBryant Patten8396120batteries
18 Jun 89 22:53:3Curtis ClaarSysop8997100parity
18 Jun 89 23:14:5Curtis ClaarAll-98-WingZ88
19 Jun 89 06:28:5Dennis KirkpatrickAll-99-PipeDream
19 Jun 89 18:40:1Victor RobertsCurtis Claar97100-Parity
20 Jun 89 00:04:3Len RubinAll-101102Program Suggestion
20 Jun 89 06:15:1SysopLen Rubin101102103Typing Tutor
20 Jun 89 21:28:0Chris FennLen Rubin102103105Typing etc.
20 Jun 89 22:10:1George CooperAll-104107Hello...
21 Jun 89 00:08:1Curtis ClaarChris Fenn103105115on/off
21 Jun 89 03:40:0Richard HawSysop93106-ZFU
22 Jun 89 07:20:4Dean MintzerSysop-108112new user
22 Jun 89 16:49:0David WhitemanAnyone Interested-109-SALE OF CAMBRIDGE Z88 SYSTEM COMPLETE WITH MODEM AND SOFTWARE
22 Jun 89 20:28:1Robert MorganAll-110-Manuals
22 Jun 89 23:14:5SysopGeorge Cooper107111-Documentation
22 Jun 89 23:17:2SysopDean Mintzer108112113Future
23 Jun 89 07:54:5Dean MintzerSysop112113-FUTURE
23 Jun 89 19:22:3Victor RobertsAll-114-Infoworld Article on Laptops
23 Jun 89 20:41:0Chris FennCurtis Claar105115117SPAN
25 Jun 89 03:02:4Curtis ClaarAll-116118JULY BYTE
25 Jun 89 06:55:2SysopLen Rubin115117-Typing Tutor
25 Jun 89 06:57:5SysopCurtis Claar116118123Byte
25 Jun 89 14:04:2Dave BennettCurtis And Victor-119121Z88 QL
25 Jun 89 16:27:2John CasperBryant Patten96120122Ni-Cads seem Okay
25 Jun 89 20:04:1SysopDave Bennett119121-Z88 -- QL Xmodem
25 Jun 89 20:05:5SysopJohn Casper120122-NiCads
26 Jun 89 22:03:4Chris FennSysop118123-DOS etc.
27 Jun 89 04:51:4Robert MorganAll-124125Basic vars
27 Jun 89 07:07:4SysopRobert Morgan124125126Basic Questions
7 Jun 89 07:09:40SysopRobert Morgan125126127Upload
27 Jun 89 07:18:2SysopRobert Morgan126127-BAS Help
28 Jun 89 04:53:5Robert MorganSysop-128130ROMDP5
28 Jun 89 07:53:0Tom JohnsonAll-129-Z88 Sale
28 Jun 89 11:04:5SysopRobert Morgan128130-ROMDP5
28 Jun 89 23:51:3Charles TysonAll-131-Do-it-yourself RAM upgrades
30 Jun 89 23:07:5Len RubinSysop-132133New Modem

ARCHIVED BBS MESSAGES -- JUNE 1989
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#30 27 01 Jun 89 20:31:25
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
Subj: Hint

Did you know that you can edit an expression slot when writing in the
text mode of Pipedream?(<>X).It comes in handy to insert a calculation
without having to switch to numbers mode.




 #31 23 02 Jun 89 21:27:17
From: Sysop
To: All
Subj: Z88 in June Byte

Jerry Pournelle's review of the Z88 in the June Byte is not only positive,
it's extensive. There are a few technical inaccuracies -- but far fewer than
most reviews. He's clearly used the machine a fair amount and really likes
it. Eventually I will excerpt some "sound bites" from the article.
Hmmmm...too bad his first remarks in Feb were so negative; I wonder how many
potential owners were steered away by them? Oh well....

Phil




 #32 25 03 Jun 89 04:34:27 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Steven Zink
SEE ALSO #33
Subj: Modem

I use a Travelcomm 1200 II by Touchbase Design when I travel with my Z88. It
works very well. I have made good connections from hotels in California back
to my office in New York.

Vic




 #33 25 03 Jun 89 04:39:30 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Steven Zink
REPLY TO #32 SEE ALSO #42
Subj: Modem

I believe the Travelcomm 1200 II and the Worldport 1200 are the same modem
under their "old" and "new" names.

Vic




 #34 24 03 Jun 89 07:19:51
From: Sysop
To: All
Subj: More on BYTE for June

In addition to the extensive (almost two page) discussion of the Z88 by Jerry
Pournelle, there is an article of definite interest: "A Portable Companion for
the Macintosh".

This article discusses the Z88 at length, in the context of "It's not a Mac
laptop, but the Z88 fills the gap nicely". It focuses on the MacLite software
package and its HC Organizer. This should be of special interest to the Mac
owners out there.

Gee -- now if they would publish my letter to Jerry where I discuss this BBS,
we might have some more new callers!

Phil




 #35 23 03 Jun 89 14:15:47
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
Subj: Blinders

I rec' my new Portable Computer Rev. today. I guess I wasn't cut off
after all. They just like to let you know way in advance that your sub.
is running out. Look's like Sharpe's has an add in this one. Hmmm...
If I paid for an add I would INSIST they include my product in their
buyers guide section (Z88 absent again!). They don't mind making money
off of it, but won't admit that it exists.





 #36 27 04 Jun 89 07:24:16 (RECV'D)
From: Dave Bennett
To: Curtis Claar
SEE ALSO #43
Subj: Z88 - QL cable

It is 2 - 3, 3 - 2. I use SER2 on the QL. I find that you can only send
ascii with this cable. Here are the pinouts:
Z88 QL SER2
--- -------
2 --------- 3
3 --------- 2
4 --------- 5
5 --------- 4
7 --------- 7
8 --------- 4




 #37 2 04 Jun 89 10:00:13
From: Sysop
To: Chris Fenn
Subj: New Stuff

Well, half the price of a Ultralite is still no bargain. Tosh 1000 with
768K+51K and a disk drive is about $1000 street in L.A. Two inches thick and
6.3 lbs. VERY readable screen, too.

Now is someone can get to tthe Z88 size for able a grand, then I will take
notice (and it shoould run off AA batteries, not 2 hour nicads!).

Phil




 #38 24 04 Jun 89 15:26:36 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Sysop
SEE ALSO #40
Subj: Problem using Quickedit with large Pipedream files ?

Phil,

I have a large file which was written in Pipedream. It contains 296 lines
of text, and has been saved and reloaded many times, since it was written over
a long period of time.

When I load this file into Quickedit and jump to the end of the file with
diamond - down arrow, the file is over 400 lines long! The lines between the
end of the original file (as defined by Pipedream) and the end of the file in
Quickedit, are all blank, except for the last line which contains two words,
which look like they are from one of the original test files I wrote with
Quickedit and then erased.

This is all very strange. Have you tried to load large Pipedream files into
Quickedit yet? have you seen any of this strange behavior?
Do you have any suggestions?

Vic




 #39 27 04 Jun 89 15:35:29
From: Victor Roberts
To: All
SEE ALSO #41
Subj: Using the Z88 with the Emacs screen editor on a VMS VAX

I have configured the Emacs screen editor on our VMS VAX to operate with the
Z88 as its "terminal". Performance is very similar to Emacs on the Unix-based
SUN, described in an earlier note. I hope to find some time in the next day
or so to put together a short note on the steps necessary to configure the
VMS version of Emacs to support the Z88.

Vic




 #40 26 04 Jun 89 17:06:56 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #38
Subj: QuickEdit problem

Nope! Is it a real problem? Can you simply delete all lines after 256 and
resave the file?

I haven't seen anything like this. Is the PD file one with TABS by any
chance? The QE manual predicts odd stuff in that case. On page 24 it says
"...the columns will be listed below each other when loaded into QuickEdit.
This can be a little confusing....". Could it be that the blank lines are
just blank columns from the PD file? Just guessing!

Phil




 #41 25 04 Jun 89 17:12:28 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #39
Subj: Using Z88 with Emacs on VAX/VMS

Great!




 #42 26 04 Jun 89 19:08:40 (RECV'D)
From: Norm Lehfeldt
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #33
Subj: Modem

I'm a big fan of my Packard Bell PB1200MM.
Four LED's, monitor speaker, Hayes compatible, auto dial, etc.
It uses 9v. battery, which I prefer. Comes with AC supply, too.
$98.00 at Fry's in Sunnyvale. fits in its own carrying case which
is about the size of a pack of 100mm cigarettes.
Norm




 #44 26 05 Jun 89 08:01:11
From: Steven Zink
To: All
Subj: modems

Thanks for all the advice on the Z88 modems.




 #45 26 05 Jun 89 21:46:06
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
SEE ALSO #46
Subj: Z88 EPROM

Looks like them Brit's know a good program when they see it. The new
Z88 EPROM called Phil's Z88COM.BAS "excellent", but then we all know
that.




 #46 30 05 Jun 89 23:08:34 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Chris Fenn
REPLY TO #45
Subj: Z88EPROM

Now I'm real anxious to get my copy. Glad they like it, since I wasn't sur3e
it would fit the systems over there that well.




 #47 27 05 Jun 89 23:22:42
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
SEE ALSO #49
Subj: EEPROM

Is it just me, or did the guy who wrote the very positive "Laptop Companion
for the Mac" article in June Byte make a small mistake that I wish were
actually true? I stress small.

He referred to our EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) cards as
EEPROM (Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) cards. The
Tandy 1000's actually do have EEPROMS (neat, but a hassle. You actually do
write, then electronically erase, then write again, then power down and it's
still there. It's right up Uncle Clive's alley, but I don't think he did it,
did he?) Anyway, didn't the guy really mean EPROM?

[Curtis]




 #49 27 06 Jun 89 21:41:40 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #47 SEE ALSO #52
Subj: EEPROM

Beats me! But somewhere, in some manual (maybe the one with zTerm), it said
not to put the "ROM" in slot 3. but that could be overwrite, not erase.
Maybe someone knowledgable is around -- but it sure isn't me!

Phil




 #50 28 06 Jun 89 23:55:46
From: Al Holguin
To: Everyone !-!-!-!
SEE ALSO #53
Subj: Hayes Macro

If anyone has Hayes Program, can you tell me how the Macro works?

1) How does it work?

2) What does it mean by TIME OUT, PROMPT, and DATA?

3) What would it look like if you used it on this BBS?

AL




 #51 30 07 Jun 89 00:27:31
From: Jim Mcgivern
To: All
SEE ALSO #54
Subj: BBS back on line


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 #52 32 07 Jun 89 01:01:30 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #49
Subj: ROM/EPROM/etc.

Yeah, I've read everywhere not to put ROM in #3, And yes, that could be the
way Tandy accomplishes the EEPROM: simply with a Z88-like EPROM burner that
continually overwrites (overburns) changes to the setup. Is that even possible?

[Curtis]




 #53 37 07 Jun 89 07:00:16 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Al Holguin
REPLY TO #50 SEE ALSO #55
Subj: Hayes

Al -- need more info. What is "Hayes Program"? What computer does it run on?
Do you mean SmartComm?

Phil




 #54 31 07 Jun 89 07:01:55
From: Sysop
To: Jim Mcgivern
REPLY TO #51
Subj: BBS

Nice top, Jim! I'll give your system a try one of these days (being as how
it's local!)

Phil




 #55 37 07 Jun 89 08:31:09 (RECV'D)
From: Al Holguin
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #53
Subj: Hayes smartcom

Ya Hayes Smartcom. It runs on the IBM PC.




 #57 28 10 Jun 89 17:39:08
From: Victor Roberts
To: All
Subj: Using the Emacs Screen Editor on a VMS VAX with the Z88.

I have uploaded a file in area 2 which describes how to configure Emacs on a
VMS VAX to work with the Z88. The file is named EMACS.VMS. You should read the
original file, called EMACS.INF first.

Vic




 #58 30 11 Jun 89 07:16:07
From: Sysop
To: All
SEE ALSO #59
Subj: Stuff from May/June Z88 EPROM (U.K. club newsletter)

I just received the May/June 1988 Z88 EPROM from the U.K. There are
some interesting product-related news notes.

On page 7 we find that there is now a version of SpellMaster (see
review in SPELMSTR.REV in File Area 2) with an American dictionary.
As with all other new products, I don't know what/when the
availability is in the U.S. (tho this one should show up pretty fast).
Upgrade policy up to the dealer, I suppose.

And there is a new product call the the Cambridge Topper -- a hard
plastic top cover for the Z88, molded for a snug fit. This one should
keept the keyboard clean, prevent display scratch/damage, and (most
vital) prevent accidental turn-on when carrying your Z88 in a
briefcase or shoulder bag. I'd expect the price here to be in the
$20-25 range (7.75 pounds in the U.K.).

And, in a Wordmongers ad, mention of an in-progress development called
THINKZ -- a "thought organizer" (read outline processor) "based around
most of the ideas/projects organizers available for PC's". Folks,
this may be our long-awaited Z88 outline processor!! I plan to call
WM in the U.K. soon (maybe tomorrow morning). When I suggested this
project to them by phone in February, there seemed to be a total lack
of awareness of what an outline processor is; progress has been made!!

Now, a more depressing note. They (the club newsletter) have listed
all the programs I sent them in February as new acquistions in the
club library. Alas, they credited them to "Club Z88 in the U.S.", not
to me --even though I was the author of all but one (which they did
correctly credit to Chris Fenn). No mention of yours truly or this
BBS, at all! Since Club Z88 did not write or send these programs,
and does not operate this BBS (it was here before Club Z88 was
formed, and runs on my PC in my home) -- I am just a tad miffed that
the recognition went awry. I'm especially disturbed that efforts to
get this BBS recognized in the U.K. were totally aborted (a little
strange, that!).

Phil





 #59 30 11 Jun 89 17:26:00 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #58 SEE ALSO #61
Subj: Various

Great news on the new version of Spellmaster! It is very helpful as it is and
will be even better with an "american" dictionary. I've also come to the
conclusion that an outline processor should be my next software purchase for
the Z88.

Sorry to hear about the lack of proper credit for your software and bbs. Let
me know what their address is and I will write a letter in your behalf.

Vic




 #60 32 11 Jun 89 18:26:20 (RECV'D)
From: Dave Bennett
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #43 SEE ALSO #64
Subj: Z88 - QL

What I mean is that you can only send text files. Xmodem transfers do not
work. Sorry about the delay on my last message. I do not get on here all that
often. It appears that there is not proper handshaking on the cable for xmodem
to work. But so far I have been unable to come up with a cable that works
better. Dave




 #61 23 12 Jun 89 21:50:07 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Fenn
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #59
Subj: CREDIT

It's very unfortunate that Phil did not rec' proper credit for his work.
We know that Phil has done more to support the Z88 (and their user's)
than Sir Clive himself! I have a letter zinging along to the UK myself
to help set it straight, but I would imagine the more the merrier.
Here's the address Vic:

Z88 USER'S CLUB
68 WELLINGTON STREET
LONG EATON
NOTTINGHAM
NG10 4NG
UK




 #62 26 13 Jun 89 17:16:08 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Dave Bennett
SEE ALSO #65
Subj: Z88 - QL transfers

I am somewhat confused about your problem. If you can transfer text files, I
don't understand how the cable can prevent xmodem transfers.

Can you send text files both ways, i.e. both to and from the Z88?

Also, do xmodem transfers work for just a few blocks and then crash, or do
they not work at all? I had this type of problems (could send small files, but
not large ones) and Phil solved the problem by reminding me that XON/XOFF must
be disabled for xmodem to work correctly. (The XOFF
character is the same as the identfication marker for block 17 or such.)

Vic




 #63 23 13 Jun 89 21:29:34
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
Subj: Magazine stuff

This months Mac User has a few paragraphs on the Z88,with a photo.
There's also a mothly column that mentions that Douglas Adams
(who wrote the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) uses a Z88.
Hmmm.....




 #64 26 14 Jun 89 03:40:31 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Dave Bennett
REPLY TO #60 SEE ALSO #67
Subj: ql

I built a cable like yours and tried it out. Xmodem and text transfers work
just fine from Z88 to QL. The other way isn't so hot. I'll keep working on it
as time allows.

[Curtis]




 #65 26 14 Jun 89 03:43:08 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #62
Subj: ql

I've been experimenting with QL-Z88 xfers, too. I'll try again and make sure
xon-xoff is disabled. Thanks.

[Curtis]




 #66 26 14 Jun 89 03:44:33
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
Subj: EXPO

The Connecting Points in Wyoming are having the annual manufacturers' EXPO and
they didn't invite Cambridge to display. I called Cambridge and talked them
into talking Connecting Point into letting them display. I even told them I
would be available to help them out if they didn't want to or couldn't fly a
guy out here to do it. Well, Cambridge talked Connecting point into letting me
display the Z88. Now I just can't get a hold of Cambridge (the right guy
anyway) to have them next-day-air me some brochures, banners, accessories, and
other EXPO items. Hopefully, if all goes well, Cambridge will next-day-air te
items, and I'll go into the EXPO with the whole booth contents in one box (as
compared to the several trip approach trips of larger computers). NEC will be
there showing their new laptop. I didn't think it was fair to leave the Z88
out -- even though my Connecting Point doesn't carry them yet.

Anyway, I'll let y'all know how it works out.

[Curtis]




 #67 25 14 Jun 89 06:20:06 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #64
Subj: Xmodem Transfers

Curtis, if you are using Z88COM for the xmodem transfers to the Z88, be sure
that Xon/Xoff is turned off at the Panel before starting.

Phil




 #68 26 14 Jun 89 20:51:44 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Steven Zink
Subj: VT-52 Terminal

Steven, as I recall your problem relates to using the Z88 in VT-52 mode (i.e.,
using Z88COM) to access a VAX. First, with Z88COM you must have 8 bits, no
parity one stop bit. That's because it uses the built-in Terminal ROM program
-- which does not let you adjust those parameters.

But -- all is not lost. Vic Roberts, who comes here regularly uses his Z88
with Z88COM to comm with a VAX. Suggest you leave a message to him re your
problems (Victor Roberts is his log-on name here). And make it a non-private
message; more possible help that way!

Phil




 #69 29 15 Jun 89 08:07:27 (RECV'D)
From: Steven Zink
To: Victor Roberts
SEE ALSO #70
Subj: z88com to vax

Phil Wheeler suggested that I ask you if you have any thoughts on the problmes
that I am having connecting my Z88 via telecommunications (using z88com) with
a VAX. I am calling in at 1200 baud, e parity, 7 data bits, 1 stop bit, and
no echo. The commands are received but words are broken up with garbage. Any
thoughts that you might have would be appreciated.




 #70 22 16 Jun 89 18:57:29 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Steven Zink
REPLY TO #69
Subj: Z88 to VAX in VT52 mode

Steven,

I use my Z88 with a VAX whenever I am on the road. I usually connect
at 1200 baud and have no problem. Your problem sounds interesting,
but I need a bit more information.

Are your problems showing up in terminal mode or xmodem file transfer mode,
that is, when you are talking to the VAX through the keyboard and screen, or
when you are transferring a file with Phil's Z88COM? To do an xmodem file
transfer, you must connect at NO parity. However, if you are simply talking to
the VAX with the terminal, the parity can be anything you want.

Does your VAX insist in even parity? I believe ours will automatically
match the parity of the calling terminal, but I will check to make sure.

When you say that commands are received OK, I assume you mean that things
like DIR and TYPE are received by the VAX and proper actions are initiated.
Your comment that "words are broken up with garbage" id the confusing part.
Again, do you mean that you get garbage when the VAX is listing a file in
response to a TYPE command or a directory in response to a DIR command, or is
the garbage found in a file after an xmodem transfer? If you are using xmodem,
exactly what is running on the VAX? That is, which version of xmodem, since I
do not know of a"standard" version.

Let me test my VAX with different parity settings and get back to you.

Vic




 #71 24 16 Jun 89 19:45:10 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Steven Zink
SEE ALSO #78
Subj: Z88 to VAX with VT52 emulation

Steven,

I have a correction to my last message, and some confusion on my part.

First, the correction. I said I thought the VAX would automatically adjust
itself to match the parity of the calling terminal. This is not correct. Our
VAX defaults to NO parity, and while it will talk to a terminal which is
itself set on EVEN or ODD parity, the VAX remains on NO parity. Once connected,
I can change the VAX to EVEN parity with the SET TERMINAL command and
everything is OK as long as my "terminal" (computer) is also set for EVEN. As
expected, if I set the VAX on EVEN parity and then switch my terminal back to
NO parity, all I get is junk. The bottom line is, if your VAX defaults to EVEN
parity, I guess you will have to login with EVEN parity and then switch both
the VAX and the Z88 to NO parity to do an xmodem transfer.

Now for the confusing part! (I could use help here from anyone out there.)
These various parity tests were all done with my PC and a terminal emulator.
If I set the Z88 at either EVEN or ODD parity, I could not even talk to my
modem. And, I tried two different modems! I first tried my Travelcomm II (my
portable modem) and then a Courier 2400e (my "regular" modem.) When the Z88
was set for either EVEN or ODD parity I could not even get a clean response to
the AT command. Yet, when I used the Courier with my PC and a terminal
emulator it worked OK with any type of parity I wanted to try; EVEN, ODD, NONE,
SPACE, MARK. The two emulators I used were Kermit and PCPLOT.

This opens up the question of whether there is a problem in the Z88 when
set for EVEN or ODD parity. Has anyone else tried their Z88s with EVEN or ODD
parity?

Vic




 #72 26 16 Jun 89 20:29:57
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
SEE ALSO #79
Subj: BAT DATA

=======================================
= ) ( ) ( =
=__) (_ ) ( =
=----- (__ ( /\M/\ ) =
= Z88 ! (_ /^^v^^ )=
=_____! ^.--.^ ( / / __)) =
=_I_I___ .\ / ! / (_____) =
=] ] ] ]!___ (o)(o)! / / / =
=] ] ] ]!HHH/\ L_ /\________ =
=] ] ] ]!HHH)!/==\!(]]]]]]]]! =
=] ] ] ]!HH _\\__//\_]]]]]]]! =
=] ] ] ]/ __\/__ \]]]]]!_____ =
=] ] ] ! / /\M/\ \ )]]]]!HHHHHL =
=] ] ] \/ ! ^^v^^ ! \\]]]!HHHHHH!__=
=] ] ] ! \___/ \___' /\]]!HHHHHH ##=
=] ] ] ! ( / \ )\/ \\]!HHHHHH ##=
=] ] ] /\/!\ - -\ /)/ / \!HHHHHH ##=
=] ] )\__)H( - - ) /( ) \ \\HHHHHH ##=
=] ] ) /HH! -.- (]\ \ \\HHHHH ##=
= !=!) /HHH\______/ .]\ \ \ (HHHH ##=
=_! / ))___!II[_]II/ !__) ( _/--\_ =
=./--U-\. . __ ___ ./ \ \( o----o"=
=/ / \ \ . \_ / ( \ \(\( . . . =
=/\^UU^/\\.! ! !.\ \( \\ .. . .=
= . . . . ! ! !..\( \ (. . . CF
=======================================
Will Gotham City be taken over
by "GARBLED CHARACTERS"?
Will the JOKER prevail?
Will BATMAN reach his Z88 BAT'PUTER
in time?...Stay tuned folks!
=======================================





 #73 26 16 Jun 89 23:09:21
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
SEE ALSO #80
Subj: Telecommunication for the deaf

Can some fill me in on the "protocol" for the deaf phones, or the
telecommunications devices for the deaf. When described to me, it sounds a
whole bunch like a Chat mode, but can someone give me the "protocol" so I can
see how well a Z88 serves that purpose.

Thanks.
[Curtis]




 #74 25 16 Jun 89 23:11:48
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
Subj: Apple ][

Does anyone use their Z88 with their Apple ][ or ][e or anything like that? If
not are there any good term progs for the ]['s?

[Curtis]




 #75 24 16 Jun 89 23:13:05
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
Subj: EXPO

Well, I went and showed the Z88 at the Connecting Point Expo. Becasue it's
marketed as Maclite sometimes, I got stuck in the Mac booth. Neat. With a real
live Apple factory rep. I thought at first it would boost the interest levels.
But Cambridge didn't even send me a Maclink package or anything else but
brochures. Well at first Mr. Apple dude didn't mind, but tten he did his best
t poke fun at me and the Z88. But I didn't mind, because Mr. Informix (you
know they make WingZ -- you Mac users, take a look at WingZ! They demoed it
for Cray and when they saved one of Cray'd spreadsheets in Excel the way
they're set up now, it took 2 minutes. Next to it, they had another Mac set up
and saved the same spreadsheet in TWO SECONDS). Not only is it fast, it's
indescribaly awesome, and I haven't seen a complete demo). Anyway, Mr.
Informix really liked the Z88 and I tried to talk him into talking his company
into developing something for the Z88 (like a field companion for the Z88 and
WingZ combined. Something like "Be on the fly with WingZ and Z88"). Anyway,
when Mr. Apple dude left, he said bye to every other displayer, but
conveniently forgot to say bye to me. ummm.
Mr. Epson was real nice and a tribute to his company. The NEC reps were great.
I even showed the Z88 off to the Ultralite rep. Of course, he probably just
wanted to see it so they could incorporate its best features into the new
Ultralite. Incidently, this man is on the committee for future NEC laptops and
he told me the new Ultralite "will do things you can't even imagine." He did
not elaborate -- you know, company secrets. Oh yeah, Mr. Informix is going to
hand brochures of the Z88 out at his office. (How about WingZ88. It would be
the field version of WingZ. It would port directly into a WingZ file. Why
don't you Mac users start petitioning Informix?)
Well, enough rambling. I think it was worht the time and I certainly hope
Cambridge appreciated it.

[Curtis]




 #76 24 16 Jun 89 23:27:03
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
Subj: UPC etc.

Can someon fill me in on the "protocols", if you will, surrounding the various
styles of barcodes. What I'm looking at is a program for the Z88 to print
various styles (UPC, code-39, etc.) of labels (on a bar-code printer or a
bar-code price gun) and/or read. I'm not overly serious about this, but it
could be marketed if it's done right.

(By not being serious, I mean I don't have a need personally and probably
couldn't handle it anyway)

[Curtis]




 #78 25 17 Jun 89 05:37:53 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #71 SEE ALSO #84
Subj: Parity

My best recollection is that ZTerm works OK with even parity -- but I just
don't use it any more. I do know that there are several systems I cannot
access well with Z88COM, but I've always attritbuted that to the 8 bit set up
which you cannot change in the VT-52 emulation that it uses. I don't remember
EVER using 8 bits without having no parity on ANY system, tho.

Phil




 #79 25 17 Jun 89 05:41:13 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Chris Fenn
REPLY TO #72
Subj: Bat Graphic

Cute! May not look great on a Z88 screen, tho!




#80 25 17 Jun 89 05:42:21 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #73 SEE ALSO #81
Subj: Deaf Telecom

As I remember, they use Baudot or some very specail coding setup. Somewhere I
ran across some code to support it for the Model 100 or some such machine. IF
you like, I will go search it out. If it is in Basic, perhaps I can post it
here for you to work on. OK?

Phil




 #81 23 17 Jun 89 06:57:08 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #80 SEE ALSO #94
Subj: Deaf Telecom Protocols

Curtis,

Go to file area #2 and get the files DEAF.MDM, DEAF.100 & DEAF.INF. If you
get serious about converting the DEAF.100, I can decode the M/L part of it and
give you some equivalent code (I hope!) for the Z88.

Phil




 #82 24 17 Jun 89 11:45:25
From: Bryant Patten
To: All
SEE ALSO #83
Subj: Rechargeable Batteries

Does anyone know why Cambridge North America recommends against using
rechargeable batteries in a Z88? I have been using rechargeable batteries for
several months without a problem.




 #83 26 17 Jun 89 14:41:12 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Bryant Patten
REPLY TO #82 SEE ALSO #96
Subj: Rechargable Batteries

Main problem is that NiCad's have a much steeper drop-off when they get
discharged than do Alkalines. Therefore, there is a much bigger risk that you
will loose everything in your machine -- say if you don't see the "Batt Low"
message right away. Also four NiCads will give you a lower operating voltage
than four Alkalines -- so some folks use five NiCd's.

The issue is really one of risk. And it's your call. Personally, I get
alkalines cheap enuff in bulk that it isn't worth the risk to me.

Phil




 #84 25 17 Jun 89 19:19:10 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #78 SEE ALSO #86
Subj: Z88 parity test with terminal

Phil,

The problem I am having is so basic you do not even need to connect to any
system to see the problem. When I connect my Z88 to a Hayes compatible modem,
set parity at even or odd in the PANEL, and go to TERMINAL, I cannot get a
readable response from the modem when I issue an AT command. Under normal
circumstances, the modem will return an OK, I this case either the O or the K
echos on the Z88 as a block character.

Does this happen with your Z88 and modem?

Vic




 #85 23 17 Jun 89 20:57:06
From: Chris Fenn
To: All
SEE ALSO #87
Subj: Dick Tracy MAC etc.

I finally got to read the July MacGuide "Mac to Go" article. Somebody
give them a clue! They obviously don't mind compareing apples & oranges
or cantalopes for that matter. They are comparing the Z88 with the
PSION ORGANISER and the WRISTMAC. While I'm sure they are nice little
gizmos I can't imagine getting any work done on them. The PSION might
be nice for remote data collection etc., but it looks like the WristMac
is just for data recall. I think we all know the Z88 can be a very
productive machine. They even made little scorecards to rate the
hardware. Under the performance catagory they rated the WristMac 90,
the PSION 96, and for the machine that multitasks, has loads of
built-in software,breaks the MS-DOS 640K RAM barrier, runs BASIC as
fast as my DOS portable and retains everthing when shut down they rate
the Z88 at a big 75. ....Yawn.




 #86 27 17 Jun 89 22:05:43 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #84 SEE ALSO #88
Subj: Parity

Well -- I get either a K or an O and blocks on either side. But SPACE and
MARK parity work just fine. Puzzling, at least!




 #87 27 17 Jun 89 22:07:58 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Chris Fenn
REPLY TO #85
Subj: Smaller is better

With their smaller-is-better theory, they would LOVE the Tandy PC-3!




 #88 25 18 Jun 89 11:53:03 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #86 SEE ALSO #89
Subj: Parity

Phil,

I have been running tests with my Z88 hooked directly to my PC, while using
various parity settings on each of the machines. The Z88 does indeed operate
in a strange manner if parity is either even or odd. I will try to post a more
comprehensive note later today. For now, just one question, does anyone know
if the British define parity the same way we do?

More later.

Vic




 #89 25 18 Jun 89 12:29:42 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #88 SEE ALSO #97
Subj: Parity

Beats me how they define it, tho I wouldn't ex[ect a difference. On the other
hand, I think this is the first time I've seen MARK and SPACE as parity
options. Too bad we cannot opt for 7 bits (which might be a lot more useful
than all these wierd parity choices).

Recall, also, that we've had some problems getting 19200 to work with the Z88
-- so there may be a bug in ROM, or just a different definition of how things
should be.

Phil




 #90 23 18 Jun 89 18:03:05 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Steven Zink
Subj: Parity errors with VAX

Steven,

I have been able to reproduce what I believe is your problem
with my VAX and my Z88. As far as I can tell, you are not doing
anything wrong, the problem is in the Z88 when it is set to EVEN
or ODD parity. While I do not have a full fix, I do have a fully
satisfactory work-around.

As mentioned previously, my VAX defaults to NO parity. After
making connection, I used the SET TERMINAL command to set the VAX
to EVEN parity, and used the PANEL on the Z88 to set it to EVEN
parity also. After this was done, I could type commands, like
DIR, to the VAX. Some of the letters I typed were echoed as
blocks, instead of the character I typed, but the VAX did
understand the command. (If the parity received by the VAX was
wrong it would have issued an error message instead of executing
the command - see below.) Even though the Z88 transmitted with
the correct parity, it did not receive correctly, as indicated by
the large number of block characters on the screen. Each
represents a character received by the Z88 with what it believes
is a parity error. (See next message for more info on this.)

My proposed work-around is as follows: Set you Z88 to even
parity and log in to your VAX. Once you are signed on, set the
VAX to NO parity with the following command:

SET TERMINAL/PARITY=NONE

While you are typing this command, many of the characters you
type will echo as blocks due to the Z88 parity problem. After this
command was issued my VAX worked correctly, even though the
Z88 was still on EVEN parity. If this is not the case for you, go
to the PANEL on your Z88 and set parity to NONE. (Since I can
talk to a NO parity VAX with the Z88 set on EVEN, I tried it the
other way around: I tried to leave the Z88 on NO parity and talk
to the VAX when it was set to EVEN parity. All I got was a parity
error message from the VAX. This proves to me that the Z88 is
sending with the correct parity, and the problem is in the Z88
display software.

If I ever find out what is really wrong with the Z88 and get
a full fix, I will let you know.

Vic




 #91 24 18 Jun 89 18:18:16 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Sysop
SEE ALSO #92
Subj: Parity problems with the Z88

Phil,

I am now convinced the Z88 has a serious parity error
problem with received data.

I connected my Z88 to my PC and ran a bunch of parity tests
using my two favorite terminal emulators: Kermit and PCPLOT. The
results were the same with either one.

When the PC was set on NO parity, any parity would work on
the Z88: NONE, EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE. (Note that my PC
terminal emulators do not check parity on received characters,
but do send with the correct parity. As indicated in my last
message, some systems like the VAX, are not so forgiving.)

When I set the Z88 for either EVEN or ODD parity, nothing
would work correctly. The particular characters which produced
parity errors on the Z88 differed with parity settings on the PC,
but nothing would work correctly. For example, with the Z88 on
EVEN, and the PC set on NONE, all characters were received
incorrectly. But with the Z88 still on EVEN, half the characters
were ok when the PC was set on EVEN, and the other half of the
characters were ok when the PC was set on ODD.

When the Z88 was set on SPACE or MARK parity, it received
correctly with the PC set on NONE, SPACE, MARK, or ODD. (I did
not test EVEN, but assume it would work.)

This is all very strange and definitely not correct.

Do you have any ideas? It would certainly help those folks
who must connect to systems with EVEN or ODD parity.

Vic




 #92 25 18 Jun 89 19:33:46 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Victor Roberts
REPLY TO #91
Subj: Parity

I don't know of any good solutions -- other than buying zTerm ROM program from
Wordmongers. Best solution would be to add terminal emulation to Z88COM -- a
fairly major undertaking.

Phil




 #93 25 18 Jun 89 19:35:17 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Richard Haw
SEE ALSO #106
Subj: New Programs

Thanks for the new stuff, Richard. They are safely tucked away in Area 1.

Re Z88ZFU: Are there any problems using it with the Basic Patch (which move
the PAGE value up)? I do know that ZN-DOS and PATPCW/PATCH do collide. And
would Z88ZFU M/L code collide with ZN-DOS?

In any case, this looks like a good project you've embarked upon.

Phil




 #94 25 18 Jun 89 22:46:23 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #81 SEE ALSO #95
Subj: deaf telecom

If you could find it and post it so I could work on it, I ould appreciate it.
THANKS.

[Curtis]




 #95 25 18 Jun 89 22:48:02 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #94
Subj: deaf telecom

Thanks for the de.telecom files. I'll let you know if I need the M/L decoded.
Thanks.

[Curtis]




 #96 26 18 Jun 89 22:49:23 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Bryant Patten
REPLY TO #83 SEE ALSO #120
Subj: batteries

As far as **I** know, the only reason they suggest against rechargeables is
because they won't last as long (becasue they don't charge up to 1.6 volts) as
regular batteries. I think that's all.

[Curtis]




 #97 27 18 Jun 89 22:53:39 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #89 SEE ALSO #100
Subj: parity

MARK and SPACE are also options on the Sinclair QL (also a product of Sir
Clive), which leads me to believe it is some European concoction in the parity
area.
But that's about the sum of my parity "knowledge".

[Curtis]




 #98 26 18 Jun 89 23:14:53
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
Subj: WingZ88

Remember a while back when the Z88 spies reported that Los Alamos Bought scads
of Z88's?

Well, Mr. WingZ told me that Los Alamos called up and wanted to buy Wingz
directly from Informix. Informix said no. Los Alamos then went on and asked
what the dealer commitment had to be (so they could be a dealer to
themselves). They were told $1,000,000. They said okay, no problem. Informix
then still had to say no.

But tte point is: Los Alamos has scads of Z88's and scads of Macs and scads of
copies of WingZ. It only makes sense that WingZ provide them with a good way
to I/F the three together. Anyone care to point this out to Informix if they
don't figure it out themselves?

[Curtis]




 #99 25 19 Jun 89 06:28:58
From: Dennis Kirkpatrick
To: All
Subj: PipeDream

Does anyone know if you can punctuate expressions with commas (i.e. 20,000
rather than 20000)




 #100 24 19 Jun 89 18:40:12 (RECV'D)
From: Victor Roberts
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #97
Subj: Parity

MARK and SPACE are very much like NO parity. In each case the parity bit is
forced to either a MARK or SPACE condition. We have an IBM mainframe at work
with an ASCII termianl converter on the front end, and its default condition
is SPACE parity. (For those confused by these weird terms, they are a holdover
from the days of teletype machines when data was sent by current instead of
voltage. As far as I remember, the MARK condition was current flowing, and
SPACE was no current.

Vic




 #101 28 20 Jun 89 00:04:35
From: Len Rubin
To: All
SEE ALSO #102
Subj: Program Suggestion

It seems to me that fundamental to the efficient use of the Z88 (and
most computers that use QWERTY keyboards) is some facility at touch
typing. To that end, I suggest that a typing tutorial program, such as
the many fine versions available for PCs would be of particular value
to new users amongst the "core" programs on the board. If anyone with
the capability to create or adapt such a program for the Z88 wants to
take on this project--or better yet--if anyone knows of a good one
already usable on the Z88 (I've read rumours of a forthcoming one from
Harvester in the U.K.) please let me know. As you may have guessed, I
have a personal interest in such a program as well, given my searing 25
wpm typing speed!

LBR




 #102 27 20 Jun 89 06:15:17 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Len Rubin
REPLY TO #101 SEE ALSO #103
Subj: Typing Tutor

Seems like I developed a rudimentary one for the Model 100 at one time.
Nothing to shourt home about, but I'll see about converting it. Look back
this weekend (I'll be in Houston for the rest of the week).

Phil




 #103 24 20 Jun 89 21:28:01 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Fenn
To: Len Rubin
REPLY TO #102 SEE ALSO #105
Subj: Typing etc.

Aha!..I wondered where you went Len. Hmmmm... the biggest problem I
have with typing on a laptop is; what should I set down to type...the
pizza or the beer? (Ha!) I'd probably be better off practicing one
handed,it seems the only time I'm in the right environment to type is
when I'm in front of my anchored (desktop) computer. I have perfected
the one handed Z88 (on/off) maneuver; for Monday mornings when my hand
refuses to release the coffee mug.(Ha!)





 #104 25 20 Jun 89 22:10:12
From: George Cooper
To: All
SEE ALSO #107
Subj: Hello...

Hi, I recently found out about this Z88 BBS and am logging on for the
first time. Len Rubin helped me over the hurdles of getting started.
We are planning to colaborate on a US Z88 book in the hope we can have
it ready for press before year end. Plan to include tips, hints, a
round up of all the support resources. e.g. Torrance BBS; PIPELINE,
ETC... and a professional treatment of documented and
undocumented features. All suggestions and contributions welcomed.
We are doing this mainly in response to the poor quality documentation
that exists today.

I have been involved with IBM mainframes for the most part over the
last 20 years. I have had an M100, and workslate and now am
switching to the Zed. I'm hoping it will be a perfect complement to
the Mac that I leave at home. - GJC




 #105 26 21 Jun 89 00:08:10 (RECV'D)
From: Curtis Claar
To: Chris Fenn
REPLY TO #103 SEE ALSO #115
Subj: on/off

Do you just have a large hand-span or is there some other trick you use for
your so-called one-hand on/off maneuver?

[Curtis]




 #106 29 21 Jun 89 03:40:01 (RECV'D)
From: Richard Haw
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #93
Subj: ZFU

As regards problems with the Basic patch, I should have mentioned
that in the docs, it will or course not work since all the addresses
would be moved (and its not relocatable), it will simply give and
error message and not run (it will say Can't load).




 #108 23 22 Jun 89 07:20:42 (RECV'D)
From: Dean Mintzer
To: Sysop
SEE ALSO #112
Subj: new user

Phil- I am a user of your programs for the m100. I am impressed to see you
here. Does this mean that here is where the future is as far as the m100 type
machines are?? If you say yes, the check will be in the mail that day. Thanks,
Dean




 #109 25 22 Jun 89 16:49:03
From: David Whiteman
To: Anyone Interested
Subj: SALE OF CAMBRIDGE Z88 SYSTEM COMPLETE WITH MODEM AND SOFTWARE

FOR SALE CAMBRIDGE Z88 PERSONAL COMPUTER, IN USE 1 YEAR, EXCELLENT
CONDITION. SYSTEM INCLUDES COMPUTER ($400), DISCOVERY PORTMODEM ($100)
TWO 512K RAM PACKS ($300 EACH), ONE 128K EPROM PACK ($80), SET OF
SERIAL, PARALLEL, Z88 TO MAC & Z88 TO IBMPC CABLES ($50 THE SET),
SOFTWARE PROGRAMS (COMM88 COMMUNICATIONS ($30), ZBASE ($150),
Z88 TO MAC ($40), PCLINK ($40), (INCLUDES APPROPRIAT DISCS FOR HOS
HOST COMPUTERS. ALSO ALL USER GUIDES AND MANUALS FOR THE ABOVE, TOGETHER
WITH "USING YOUR Z88 BY PATRICK HALL" AND "CAMBRIDGE Z88 DEVELOPERS NOTES.
ALTERNATIVE PRICE FOR ALL THE ABOVE OF $1300. OFFERS CONSIDERED
PLEASE PHONE 203-561-3503 IF INTERESTED AND LEAVE VOICE MESSAGE.




 #110 24 22 Jun 89 20:28:11
From: Robert Morgan
To: All
Subj: Manuals

Can anyone tell me if the two reference manuals from
Cambridge NA ("Using your Z88" and "Programmer's Reference
Manual") are useful? Do they duplicate the BBC Basic manual
from M-Tec? How would one get the M-Tec manual short of phoning
England?
How does one erase an EPROM cartridge?
How can I stop talking in questions? Thanks - Robert





#111 22 22 Jun 89 23:14:58
From: Sysop
To: George Cooper
REPLY TO #107
Subj: Documentation

Ummmm...well, there IS some very good documentation available. Just ask!

A Workslate???? Wow! First one I've known to have one!

Phil




 #112 24 22 Jun 89 23:17:23 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Dean Mintzer
REPLY TO #108 SEE ALSO #113
Subj: Future

That will take a long well-considered answer. I think the NOW is with the
Z88. Someday there may be an MS-DOS machine with similar features: That may
be the "future".

Phil




 #113 24 23 Jun 89 07:54:57 (RECV'D)
From: Dean Mintzer
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #112
Subj: FUTURE

As it happens, I recieved my copy of personal computing last pm and in it was
a suggestion that several companies are working on a dos compatable machine of
the notebook variety. I agree though that you can only count on the present
especially with computer technology. Thanks for your comments. Dean




 #114 22 23 Jun 89 19:22:38
From: Victor Roberts
To: All
Subj: Infoworld Article on Laptops

The June 5 issue of Infoworld has an article on laptops. They discuss mostly
MS-DOS machines and consider the Toshiba T1000 and NEC Ultralite to be the
"ultimate" in lightweight PC Compatibles. (Well, they are correct if they
limit themselves to "PC Compatibles.) However, in a sidebar they discuss the
Sharp Wizard. How did they miss the Z88?

This is another gang that needs to receive some letters from satisfied Z88
users.

Vic




 #115 22 23 Jun 89 20:41:07 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Fenn
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #105 SEE ALSO #117
Subj: SPAN

No trick, just long fingers and I can just barely hit it. I don't think
Letterman needs me on his show just yet (ha!). Maybe if I could type with my
elbows (Jerry Lee Lewis style).




 #116 21 25 Jun 89 03:02:46
From: Curtis Claar
To: All
SEE ALSO #118
Subj: JULY BYTE

Okay, now the July Byte is out...

Cambridge is advertising in Byte again. With a quote and a picture of Mr.
Pournelle. He really came through with his White House quote, eh?

(There is one typo in the first paragraph of the ad though. Sad)

And then in the new products section is the Atari ONE-POUND 4"x8"
MSDOS-compatible portable. From the sounds of things, it's FULL of compromises
(separate screen, probably in addition to the 1 lb.; optional plug-in board
for serial/parallel connections; optional plug-in board for programs, and I
don't know all the other compromises, I read it so quickly). I'd most
certainly "settle" for a 2-lb. non-MSDOS compatible ultraportable real sized
keyboard, etc. than use inky dinky keys just to get a carriable MSDOS
portable... and I wonder what the price is.

[Curtis]




 #117 22 25 Jun 89 06:55:29 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Len Rubin
REPLY TO #115
Subj: Typing Tutor

Len, I've looked over the one I did for the 100 -- pretty mundane and not all
that useful (it was a VERY early effort!). So I will be looking into some
other ideas -- and perhaps someone else will create something.

Phil




 #118 26 25 Jun 89 06:57:52 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Curtis Claar
REPLY TO #116 SEE ALSO #123
Subj: Byte

Hmmm..that ad was in the June issue, too.

Don't have the July Byte yet, but have read a bit on the Atari. Big question:
Can it store programs in RAM ala tne Z88, Model 100, etal -- or do all
programs have to be in ROM? If the latter, with the RAM only as working
memory, it will be very limited. Article I read was very fuzzy on that point.
Other issue is the keyboard, which appears to be smaller than normal: Not
great for a writing tool.

I really want to see an MS-DOS portable in the Z88 config -- Like an Ultraliet
with a reasonable price tag.

Phil




 #119 23 25 Jun 89 14:04:22
From: Dave Bennett
To: Curtis And Victor
SEE ALSO #121
Subj: Z88 QL

I had the same results. Xmodem works from the Z88 to the QL but not the other
way around. It has to work in both directions to be useful. I think that the
problem is due to some missing signals on the QL serial port. DSR and DCD but
I am not positive. Dave




 #120 23 25 Jun 89 16:27:24 (RECV'D)
From: John Casper
To: Bryant Patten
REPLY TO #96 SEE ALSO #122
Subj: Ni-Cads seem Okay

I've been using Ni-Cads with no problem. I frequently go until
the computer shuts down completely. I have never lost data.
I just wish I could get more than 4 hours out of the batteries.
I have 512K of memory. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong.
- John




 #121 23 25 Jun 89 20:04:19
From: Sysop
To: Dave Bennett
REPLY TO #119
Subj: Z88 -- QL Xmodem

Dave, you might say what the setup is and what softwware you use on the QL and
Z88. Seems that if you can xmodem with QL via a modem, there must be a way to
do the same wiht direct (null modem) setup. But can you?

Phil




 #122 25 25 Jun 89 20:05:54
From: Sysop
To: John Casper
REPLY TO #120
Subj: NiCads

The four hours is no suprise. The voltage per cell is considerably lower with
NiCads -- to the point where Model 100 owners often use 5 Nicads to replace
four AA alkalines.




 #123 20 26 Jun 89 22:03:46 (RECV'D)
From: Chris Fenn
To: Sysop
REPLY TO #118
Subj: DOS etc.


Yep,I think an MS-DOS machine modeled after the Z88 would be okey doke.
I've grown pretty attached to the unique qualities in the Z88 and would
not be willing to trade them for a "me too" MS-DOS machine, even if it
were as light as the Z88. If they get one to retain all info like the
Z88,task-switch like it,put gobs of software in it,let it use EPROMS,
and give it great battery life they'll at least have my attention.
I think the Atari is slated to sell for $399. Something like that might
replace my calculater(and I could see many uses for one)but I would
still need a good laptop.





 #124 23 27 Jun 89 04:51:40
From: Robert Morgan
To: All
SEE ALSO #125
Subj: Basic vars

Can I get some help with Basic variables? Specifically, how
can I get the address of a variable. There's no VARPTR. I know I
can do something like DIM x 100 giving me x as the variable's
address. But if I have a regular string like s$="hello" how can I
get to s$'s address? And speaking about strings, it almost seems
like a string's address points to the current length, the
allocated length, and then the actual address. Is this right? Are
the lengths bytes or words?
Is @% a special variable? I understand A% thru Z% are static
variables, (nice) but just what is @%? Are there other "magic"
variables?
And I'm probably misguided, but did I read somewhere that this
basic has support for indexed files? If so a lot of my questions
are redundant since that's what I'm working on. (I doubt it since
LABEL.BAS and CRDFIL.BAS are naturals for it but don't use it.
The manual mentions nothing, but that's almost proof that it's
there...)
Thanks - Robert




#125 23 27 Jun 89 07:07:40 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Robert Morgan
REPLY TO #124 SEE ALSO #126
Subj: Basic Questions

I'll try to look at your questions in detail later. But I strongly recommend
you take a look at the BBC BAsic Manual mini-review in File Area 2. In
particular, it discusses the types and usage of file structures for Z88 BAsic.

Phil




 #126 5 27 Jun 89 07:09:40
From: Sysop
To: Robert Morgan
REPLY TO #125 SEE ALSO #127
Subj: Upload

Thanks for the upload, Robert. YOu might provide more info on what the
improvements are (speed or ...?).

I do have one concern with the program as submitted. The Developer's Notes
make a big thing of error trapping and stack swapping in M/L programs --
apparently there are risks of losing everything if you don't do so. In ROMDP2
the risk was small -- due to very little M/L code. I don't have a good way to
judge your new version. Do you have the Developer's Notes, and (if so) do you
have a good rationale for not needing the error trapping and stack swapping
(especially stack swapping)?

Phil




 #127 22 27 Jun 89 07:18:20 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Robert Morgan
REPLY TO #126
Subj: BAS Help

See file BASMANUL.INF in File area 2. @% is a variable which controls print
formatting. It is covered pretty well on page 166 of the Z88 User Guide that
comes with the machine.

Phil




 #128 17 28 Jun 89 04:53:57 (RECV'D)
From: Robert Morgan
To: Sysop
SEE ALSO #130
Subj: ROMDP5

No, I'm still waiting for my reference manuals to arrive.
However, the M/L code I added doesn't use the stack, and doesn't
call OZ at all. It should be safe. I've used it on my old CP/M
machine in very similar form (except for the method of reading
the memory page). It also appears to works on my Z88. I've
written some M/L code which calls OZ, and the machine very
definitely gets upset if you don't set up a stack and an error
trap.
The M/L code I changed in your routine moves 16 bytes at a
time to a variable instead of returning one at a time. The M/L
code I added does the hex to char conversion and filters non-
displayable characters.
Robert





 #129 17 28 Jun 89 07:53:04
From: Tom Johnson
To: All
Subj: Z88 Sale

J&R Musicworld has the Z88 on sale for $399.00. There is an 800# for
ordering 800-221-8180.

tom




 #130 22 28 Jun 89 11:04:55 (RECV'D)
From: Sysop
To: Robert Morgan
REPLY TO #128
Subj: ROMDP5

Hmmm.. I'm not sure what version of the program you've modified, then. The
version I'm using already does the hex-to-char conversion and filters the
non-ascii (printable) ones. I thought it was ROMDP2 -- but now I'm not sure!!
Or maybe you mean you do it faster with M/L code.

I will make your new one available tonight or so. I suspect you do have the
stack issues scoped out; just wanted to make sure before making it available.

Phil




 #131 23 28 Jun 89 23:51:38
From: Charles Tyson
To: All
Subj: Do-it-yourself RAM upgrades

First, let me confess I haven't got a Z88--I'm just looking for enough
information to make a decision.

I was wondering whether anyone had investigated the possibility of taking a
32K RAM cartridge apart, desoldering the memory chips, and installing
higher-capacity chips. (Of course, warranties go out the window!) From
eyeballing the cartridge, I would guess it could contain 4 chips--say 4 64K
chips in the 32KB cartridge, 4 256K in the 128KB cart., and 4 1M in the 512KB
cart. If that's the case, there is a fantastic markup on the 512K cartridge
since the chips would cost only $80 to $100 and the circuit board might be
identical to the one in the 32K cartridge.

So, am I talking utter nonsense (quite possible) or have I struck a gold mine?
:-)




 #132 13 30 Jun 89 23:07:51 (RECV'D)
From: Len Rubin
To: Sysop
SEE ALSO #133
Subj: New Modem

Well, I'm now communicating at 2400 baud, thanks to my new WORLDPORT 2400
battery-powered modem. I know you are familiar with the unit. It's really
exciting to finally be able to log on and caually pick up twenty or thirty
messages without having to sweat the minutes passing by, long distance charges
mounting all the while! The speaker is also cute...I will check my docs to
see if there is a software disable for the sound..for those late-night
sessions!
I sold one to George Cooper as well, so we'll constitute the new Bay Area 2400
club! Enough already with the exclamation points!!